Comments on: Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception Review https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review Games. Culture. Criticism. Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:36:59 +0000 hourly 1 By: Josh S https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/#comment-5846 Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:36:59 +0000 #comment-5846 Hey, thanks for a glaringly honest review. I’m playing this because it’s one of the PS+ games for this month, and frankly, I’m bored out of my skull! Very few reviewers have the guts to say that a game with beautiful graphics, high production values, top-notch voice acting, a big-name studio behind it, and boring, insipid gameplay isn’t actually any good. This game stinks! Most of the time, I’m just pressing forward or repeatedly tapping X. The combat is merely passable, and it’s only about 20% of the game time. The rest of the time, you’re basically doing Press A Button To Advance The Scene. It’s as much a “game” as Call of Duty’s Theater mode.

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By: Anonymous https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/#comment-8922 Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:17:58 +0000 #comment-8922 To quote from this site’s own Richard Naik, in his Battlefield 3 review: referring to whether the single player and multiplayer could be taken seperately:

“If a game is going to be packaged as one product, then it must be evaluated as one product.”

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By: MVZ https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/#comment-8856 Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:19:17 +0000 #comment-8856 Just wanted to say loved the review.

I’ll also throw in my 2 cents regarding the multi-player. Frankly, it’s not up to the reviewer to include it. The feature was not activated on the copy he received…they asked him to pay extra in order to play it, so it’s not part of the core game…plain and simple. If all these developers want to force online pass on the customer, then that’s one thing, but actually getting mad at a critic for not falling for the trick is absurd. You wouldn’t get mad at a film critic for only reviewing Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1.

I wish more reviewers would separate the single player and multiplayer reviews. The experiences are often so extremely different, that they shouldn’t be considered the same game. Forcing you to make an ADDITIONAL purchase in order to play it merely reinforces the idea that they are, in fact, 2 separate games.

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By: Chi Kong Lui https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/#comment-8646 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:56:00 +0000 #comment-8646 Hey Jonathan, thank you for the extensive and well considered comment. I hope you’ll find answers satisfactory.

[quote=Confused]I’d like to start off with the startling view you take on the series as a whole. Within a few jaded sentences, you seemingly dismiss what was likely months (or years) of technological and artistic efforts put into making the game the cinematic experience it attempts to be. I think it’s fair to say that there are very few games as visually enticing as Uncharted 3, or as heavily praised for their plot and locales. In too many ways this seems like going into the premier showing of James Cameron’s Avatar and saying “graphical charms aside, the story, while good, is simply a re-imagination of tales like Pocahontas.” I don’t understand it, because if Uncharted 3 doesn’t deserve accolades for its visuals, plot, and voice acting, I can’t imagine what games which don’t boast this kind of production quality would receive.[/quote] I’m not sure how a few of my “jaded sentences” were so dismissive. For the first three paragraphs of my review, I wrote what I thought was a largely fair and positive assessment of Uncharted’s successes. I don’t see how anyone could mistake being compared to what most people regard as the most successful company today as being anything, but glowingly positive.

In my review, I said that Uncharted deserves praise for exactly those areas you cited, but should the game be given a 10 rating and GOTY distinction on those merits considering some glaring problems? What I tried to communicate in my review is that I think that praise for its achievements should be a tad more balanced and put in proper perspective of game criticism given it’s gameplay deficiencies and inconsistent writing.

[quote=Confused]It’s important to note that the only reason I feel it’s necessary to ask you these questions is because your review holds rather serious sway among a rather large collection of 9.5/10 and 10/10 review scores. After reading not one, but many, many glowing reviews of the multiplayer experience, and how Naughty Dog is committed to giving its players more multiplayer DLC to keep the online community going, I am unequivocally astounded by your writing this review without playing the multiplayer. One of the primary criteria of a game’s review in the industry is and has been longevity of play, and by skipping the multiplayer it’s hard to believe that you’ve played enough of the game to make a value judgment about the game as a whole. When a game has strengths and weaknesses, the final review score is an account of how well the strengths balance out those weaknesses; in your case, I can only imagine how much more enjoyable player-versus-player combat would be given how disappointingly easy you found the first player experience. It seems deeply unfortunate and highly worrying that your biggest complaint for the game might have been addressed by the part you didn’t review.[/quote] Multiplayer modes often pose a uniquely difficult challenge for critics because they can be completely different and ever evolving experiences from the single-player campaign. Regardless of this challenge, I was certainly willing to put in a few hours of the multiplayer to see if it would influence my opinion, but being that this was a rental and my time was restricted, the online pass restriction essentially made my decision for me.

While I’m aware that this is perhaps a controversial stance to take, I felt two things still make my review of UC3 a valid one: A) I was honest about why the multiplayer mode wasn’t reviewed given my own circumstances of play and B) I provided enough information for the consumer to base their decision on whether the game is right for them. If you’re someone who puts a lot of value on multiplayer modes, its clear that you would probably enjoy this game more than I did. And lastly C) I thought it would spark some interesting points of discussion given the current direction publishers are taking with online passes.

The heart of the issue is that many people (not necessarily you) mistakenly believe that game reviews are part of some collective universal grading system where critics need to be “fair” and “unbiased”. The problem is that we are not all 24-year old heterosexual white males writing for the like. Each critic brings their own unique background and perspective to a review and so long as writer is honest and intelligently articulate about that perspective, their writing will be useful and in service to the reader.

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By: (Another) Anonymous https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/#comment-8645 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:47:44 +0000 #comment-8645 That’s actually the opposite of what I’d think, Eric! Game developers include separate modes almost explicitly to provide different experiences, which makes your question really unfair to ask at all.

Game developers include “easy mode” into games because not all players want a harrowing challenge, and just as often include “multiplayer” to let players truly put their skills to the test. It should go without saying that competitions in Starcraft 2 are significantly more challenging than the single player experience, or that playing Call of Duty against human opponents is a very different experience compared to taking down pre-programmed AI.

So if you were to ask Naughty Dog, “Do you think you included a separate mode because of the flaws in your single player,” it’s impossible to say yes to that without admitting there are objective flaws. But if you were to ask an almost identical question, “Do you think players seeking a bigger challenge (one of the shortcomings listed by the review) will find what they’re looking for in the multiplayer,” I don’t think you can eliminate doubts that the developer might say “yes, that’s one of the major reasons we put so much effort into developing online multiplayer, with a separate leveling system, perks, and are committed to downloadable content!”

Well, I guess I’ll stop myself right here. But I hope I made a point!

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By: Confused https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/#comment-8644 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:34:55 +0000 #comment-8644 Dear Chi,

I’ve arrived at your page after going through a slew of reviews from gamerankings.com. I always like to read the most dissenting opinions of a game, and your score of Uncharted has without doubt influenced the game’s standing on the site. If nothing else, I’d like to thank you for being honest about your opinion, and giving me some food for thought.

Before I go further, I’d like to admit that I haven’t played the game, nor do I even *own* a PS3, so everything I say here will be based on discrepancies between what other reviewers have said, and the value judgments you make.

I’d like to start off with the startling view you take on the series as a whole. Within a few jaded sentences, you seemingly dismiss what was likely months (or years) of technological and artistic efforts put into making the game the cinematic experience it attempts to be. I think it’s fair to say that there are very few games as visually enticing as Uncharted 3, or as heavily praised for their plot and locales. In too many ways this seems like going into the premier showing of James Cameron’s Avatar and saying “graphical charms aside, the story, while good, is simply a re-imagination of tales like Pocahontas.” I don’t understand it, because if Uncharted 3 doesn’t deserve accolades for its visuals, plot, and voice acting, I can’t imagine what games which don’t boast this kind of production quality would receive.

It’s important to note that the only reason I feel it’s necessary to ask you these questions is because your review holds rather serious sway among a rather large collection of 9.5/10 and 10/10 review scores. After reading not one, but many, many glowing reviews of the multiplayer experience, and how Naughty Dog is committed to giving its players more multiplayer DLC to keep the online community going, I am unequivocally astounded by your writing this review without playing the multiplayer. One of the primary criteria of a game’s review in the industry is and has been longevity of play, and by skipping the multiplayer it’s hard to believe that you’ve played enough of the game to make a value judgment about the game as a whole. When a game has strengths and weaknesses, the final review score is an account of how well the strengths balance out those weaknesses; in your case, I can only imagine how much more enjoyable player-versus-player combat would be given how disappointingly easy you found the first player experience. It seems deeply unfortunate and highly worrying that your biggest complaint for the game might have been addressed by the part you didn’t review.

Maybe I’m blowing this out of proportion–it’s worthwhile to stop and ask you who you’re writing these reviews for, and whether you expected them to have any clout at all. Perhaps you’re not the only review site reviewing only part of the experience, and a score aggregation site should have read your disclaimer rather than adding you to a list of more notable sites boasting glowing reviews. Is this review for people who plan to rent the game, and are not looking for the production values that have made Naughty Dog’s critical darling the success it is? Or was it more important to get a timely review of the game out than it was to try out the full package?

Either way, I appreciate where you’re coming from, and I’d be very keen to hear your reasoning. Thanks for a thought-provoking review!

Sincerely,
Jonathan

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By: Anonymous1 https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/#comment-8640 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:46:00 +0000 #comment-8640 [quote=Matthew K]While I understand the concern regarding not including multiplayer in the review, we have to be fair to Chi here and recognize that this was a financial limitation. Chi reviews games and pretty much has this site up out of love of writing and talking about video games; it’s not like he’s getting paid to invest in optional purchases. Also, while the title may reflect a review of the overall game, Chi upholds the policy of this site to transparently reveal the details by which he played the game. He expressly notes that he didn’t play the multiplayer and the reason for it, so he’s hardly being deceptive (pardon the pun).[/quote]

[I am the first Anonymous poster, not the second] Surely this is going to be more and more of an issue in the future as network passes etc become more prevalent. I completely understand that someone renting a game might not want to shell out money for the multiplayer features, but I think that is an issue when it comes to writing a review for public consumption – I, for one, expect a review to cover the whole package. Having said that, I appreciate that Chi and other reviewers on your site make full disclosure about how much of the game has been played, and think it adds a lot of credibility to your reviews. Which is why I frequent the site.

To revisit a point in my other comment, I’d be interested in how a reviewer playing by rental would review MW3 if it required a network pass. I wonder if MW3 is almost the opposite of U3, in that people consider the single player campaign “tacked on”. How would a review solely of it’s multiplayer without any reference to the campaign go down?

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By: Anonymous1 https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/#comment-8638 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:37:00 +0000 #comment-8638 [quote=randomrob]Review guideline suggestion: IF THE MAIN GAME ISNT MULTIPLAYER, THEN THE REVIEWER SHALL CONSIDER THE TACKED-ON MULTIPLAYER TO BE IN FACT, TACKED-ON MULTIPLAYER, AND MAY IGNORE OR REVIEW IT, AS THEY SEE FIT.
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Surely MW’s “main game” isn’t multiplayer, but none of the reviews I’ve seen for it are soley for the campaign. If they were, it wouldn’t be scoring so highly!

The multiplayer in Uncharted 3 is far from “tacked on”, it’s been designed as part of the Uncharted 3 package from the very beginning and is full of different maps, game modes including coop and local split screen, so arguing that it’s not part of the package and can be ignored in a review is daft.

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By: Eric Bowman https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/#comment-8637 Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:47:06 +0000 #comment-8637 [quote=Anonymous]Reviewing half the game isn’t a review. I shouldn’t have to read through the entire review before I find out you are basing your review and score on only part of the game.

If you are going to review the game, cough up the $10 to review the full product. I noticed you reviewed the online components of Arkham City and Dirt 3, both of which include online passes, so why the change in standard here? You should be consistent across your reviews.

At the very least, put “single player review” in the title because this is not a review of the full product and shouldn’t be treated as such. Putting a disclaimer at the end of your review doesn’t give you a free pass to ignore a huge chunk of the game. What next? You only going to play half way through a game?[/quote]

Thanks for commenting, Anonymous.

When you’re arguing that multiplayer is meant to, in any way shape or form, make up for the failings of the singleplayer, you’re best off stopping yourself right there. Chi’s problems with the singleplayer represent flaws in the game that a review score is meant to reflect. This is exactly what he did.

If you were to ask Naughty Dog if Uncharted 3’s multiplayer was meant to make up for mistakes made in the singleplayer, they would undoubtedly say no. So if the game is meant to stand up on singleplayer alone as the developers would certainly state, who are we to argue?

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By: Matthew K https://gamecritics.com/chi-kong-lui/uncharted-3-drakes-deception-review/#comment-8636 Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:22:34 +0000 #comment-8636 While I understand the concern regarding not including multiplayer in the review, we have to be fair to Chi here and recognize that this was a financial limitation. Chi reviews games and pretty much has this site up out of love of writing and talking about video games; it’s not like he’s getting paid to invest in optional purchases. Also, while the title may reflect a review of the overall game, Chi upholds the policy of this site to transparently reveal the details by which he played the game. He expressly notes that he didn’t play the multiplayer and the reason for it, so he’s hardly being deceptive (pardon the pun).

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